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Sep 26, 2008

Homework Problems 7/10 and 7/21

Comments and suggestions:
  • For each of these two problems, we need two sets of coordinates axes since one component of rotation is about a fixed axis and one component of rotation is about a moving axis. The problem statement for Problem 7/10 shows only one set. For the remaining discussion, I will refer to the observer and coordinate axes shown above for each problem: XYZ which is fixed, and xyz (and observer) attached to the panel in 7/10 and to the disk in 7/21. In each problem the XYZ and xyz axes are aligned with each other for the instant of interest.
  • For each problem, write down the angular velocity, omega, of the observer. Differentiate omega to find alpha.
  • In 7/10 use the following acceleration equation:  a_P = a_O + (a_P/O)_rel + alpha x r_P/O + 2*omega x (v_P/O)_rel + omega x (omega x r_P/O). With the observer attached to the panel, the observer does not see any motion for point P. Therefore, (v_P/O)_rel = (a_P/O)_rel = 0.
  • In 7/21, replace "P" in the bullet item above with "B".

4 comments:

Anonymous said...

I'm working on 7/21 and I've got about two full lines worth of i's, j's and k's from cross products using r_B/O. Is there a simpler way to do this or is there simply some complicated cross products involved with these problems?
-Adam Watson

Anonymous said...

When we're using the relative motion equations, I'm slightly confused why we can use a_O and v_O as reference points. I'm not sure of the connection we can make between these fixed origin points and where we put the observer. The observer is not attached to O so why would (v_P/O)rel and (a_P/O)rel be the same as the relative 'v' and 'a' seen by the observer?

-Sheng Yang

CMK said...

--Adam--
Unfortunately, there are no short cuts that one can take in doing these products. One must work through all of the terms as they appear.

In general, both r and omega can have three components each. In that case, omega x r will have up to six non-zero terms, and omega x (omega x r) can then have up to 24 terms. So if its any consolation, it could be worse...

Good question.

CMK said...

--Sheng--
The conditions that are placed on the choice of point O is that it must be on the same rigid body as the observer. In both of these problems point O actually is on the same rigid body as the observer chosen. Recall that the definition of a rigid body is that the distance between any two points of the body must remain constant as the body moves. For 7/10, the distance between O and P remains constant, as well as the distance between O and B remains constant for 7/21.

One way to check this out is to imagination yourself as the observer. If O is on the same rigid body as you the observer, O will not appear to move from your vantage point. This test works for both of these problems.

Let me know if this is not clear.

This is an excellent fundamental question. Thanks for asking!